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04/18/2023 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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Moved HCS CSSB 77(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
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+= HB 99 DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT. TELECONFERENCED
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                   
                         April 18, 2023                                                                                         
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative CJ McCormick, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Kevin McCabe, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
Representative Josiah Patkotak                                                                                                  
Representative Justin Ruffridge                                                                                                 
Representative Rebecca Himschoot                                                                                                
Representative Donna Mears                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 77(CRA) AM                                                                                               
"An Act relating to municipal property tax; and providing for an                                                                
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 77(CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 99                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to and prohibiting discrimination based on                                                                     
sexual orientation or gender identity or expression."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  77                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MUNI PROP TAX EXEMPTION/TAX BLIGHTED PROP                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) DUNBAR                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
02/22/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/23       (S)       CRA                                                                                                    
03/16/23       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/16/23       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/16/23       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/23/23       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/23/23       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
03/28/23       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/28/23       (S)       Moved CSSB 77(CRA) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/28/23       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
03/29/23       (S)       CRA RPT CS 5DP  SAME TITLE                                                                             
03/29/23       (S)       DP:    DUNBAR,   GRAY-JACKSON,    OLSON,                                                               
                       GIESSEL, BJORKMAN                                                                                        
04/11/23       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
04/11/23       (S)       VERSION: CSSB 77(CRA) AM                                                                               
04/12/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/12/23       (H)       CRA, FIN                                                                                               
04/13/23       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/13/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/13/23       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
04/18/23       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  99                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT.                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) ARMSTRONG                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
03/08/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/08/23       (H)       L&C, CRA, JUD                                                                                          
03/15/23       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/15/23       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
03/17/23       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/17/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/17/23       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/20/23       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/20/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/23       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/27/23       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/27/23       (H)       Moved HB 99 Out of Committee                                                                           
03/27/23       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/29/23       (H)       L&C RPT 3DP 3NR 1AM                                                                                    
03/29/23       (H)       DP: FIELDS, CARRICK, SUMNER                                                                            
03/29/23       (H)       NR: SADDLER, WRIGHT, RUFFRIDGE                                                                         
03/29/23       (H)       AM: PRAX                                                                                               
04/11/23       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/11/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/11/23       (H)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
04/18/23       (H)       CRA AT 8:00 AM BARNES 124                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FORREST DUNBAR                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, presented CSSB 77(CRA).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET AUTH, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 77.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ARI BARGIL, Senior Attorney                                                                                                     
Institute for Justice                                                                                                           
Fort Lauderdale, Florida                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on SB 77.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS SCHUTTE, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SB 77.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SAM SPIEGELMAN, Attorney                                                                                                        
Pacific Legal Foundation                                                                                                        
Seattle, Washington                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on SB 77.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BETHANY MARCUM                                                                                                                  
Alaska Policy Forum                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to SB 77.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS HULL                                                                                                                     
Americans for Tax Reform                                                                                                        
Washington, DC                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to SB 77.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MIKE ROBBINS, Executive Director                                                                                                
Anchorage Community Development Authority                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of SB 77.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL POPP, President & CEO                                                                                                      
Anchorage Economic Development Corporation                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of SB 77.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JENNIE ARMSTRONG                                                                                                                
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  As prime sponsor, presented HB 99.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN WALSH, Staff                                                                                                            
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on HB 99 on behalf of                                                                 
Representative Armstrong, prime sponsor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HAYLEE WILSON                                                                                                                   
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of HB 99.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOSH SMITH                                                                                                                      
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of HB 99.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL FLINT                                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of HB 99.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MORGAN LIM                                                                                                                      
Planned Parenthood                                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL HOWARD, representing self                                                                                               
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RANDY GRIFFIN, representing self                                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 99.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SHAWN GARDNER, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KC CASORT, representing self                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MENEKA THIRU, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ROSE O'HARA, representing self                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA BERNARD, representing self                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN MULKERN, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL GARVEY                                                                                                                  
Alaska Civil Liberties Union                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
THEA SCALISE, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LIV SWONGER, representing self                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALEX PETKANAS, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
RICK ANDERSON, representing self                                                                                                
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KATE VEH, representing self                                                                                                     
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KARINA KOWALSKI, representing self                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP MOSER, representing self                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BROOK BEVERIDGE, representing self                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA ROZATO, representing self                                                                                               
Denali Park, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAN POLSEN, representing self                                                                                                   
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
EARL WILLIAMS JR., representing self                                                                                            
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JACOB POWEL, representing self                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DOUG KOESTER, representing self                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA PHILLIPS, representing self                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
VIKKI JO KENNEDY, representing self                                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ED MARTIN, representing self                                                                                                    
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 99.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MOIRA PYHALA, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH WARREN, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 99.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN HESSERT, representing self                                                                                                 
Willow, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing of HB 99.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CJ  MCCORMICK  called the  House  Community  and  Regional                                                             
Affairs  Standing  Committee  meeting   to  order  at  8:04  a.m.                                                               
Representatives  McKay, Patkotak,  Mears,  McCabe, and  McCormick                                                               
were present  at the  call to  order.   Representatives Himschoot                                                               
and Ruffridge arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
        SB 77-MUNI PROP TAX EXEMPTION/TAX BLIGHTED PROP                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:05:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  first order of business would                                                               
be  CS FOR  SENATE  BILL  NO. 77(CRA)  am,  "An  Act relating  to                                                               
municipal property tax; and providing for an effective date."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:05:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FORREST  DUNBAR,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as  prime                                                               
sponsor, presented  SB 77, which is  the companion to HB  84 from                                                               
Representative Sumner  that would  provide two optional  tools to                                                               
municipalities  for the  purposes of  (indisc.) construction  and                                                               
property development.   He offered  his understanding  that there                                                               
may be  an amendment offered  today in reference to  defining the                                                               
term "blighted".                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:06:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK opened public testimony on CSSB 77(CRA).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:07:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET AUTH, representing self, testified  in support of SB 77.                                                               
She explained she  has lived in Spenard  [Anchorage], Alaska, for                                                               
35  years  and is  an  active  member  of the  Spenard  Community                                                               
Council.  She described her  activity working in code enforcement                                                               
to  try   to  get  some   movement  on  abandoned   and  derelict                                                               
properties, as well as working  with the assembly to make housing                                                               
more affordable.  She pointed  out that the abandoned houses tend                                                               
to be  used for drug dens  and squatters, which in  turn can also                                                               
become fire hazards and lead to lower property values.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:10:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARI BARGIL,  Senior Attorney, Institute  for Justice,  stated his                                                               
concern  is that  there is  no  definition of  "blight", and  his                                                               
interest  is in  finding  out what  the  proposed amendment  will                                                               
contain.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:13:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS SCHUTTE, representing self, testified  in support of SB 77.                                                               
He stated the timing of the  bill is critical; housing is in dire                                                               
need in  Alaska, and the costs  of construction of new  homes are                                                               
at all-time highs.  He encouraged  the committee to pass the bill                                                               
and   allow  the   state  to   help  develop   neighborhoods  and                                                               
communities across Alaska.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:14:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SAM  SPIEGELMAN, Attorney,  Pacific  Legal Foundation,  cautioned                                                               
that  the lack  of  definition  for any  sort  of "blight"  opens                                                               
floodgates for local abuse of the definition.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:17:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETHANY MARCUM,  Alaska Policy Forum, testified  in opposition to                                                               
SB  77.   She  stated  the bill  under  consideration would  give                                                               
Alaska's  boroughs and  municipalities  "carte  blanche" to  call                                                               
commercial  and some  personal  properties  "blighted," and  then                                                               
levy  taxes  on those  properties.    As  written, there  are  no                                                               
guardrails for  defining what constitutes "blighted"  property to                                                               
protect Alaska property owners from this "government overreach."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:20:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS HULL,  Americans for Tax  Reform, testified  in opposition                                                               
to  SB 77.   He  stated  that it  would  be one  of the  broadest                                                               
frameworks  for local  blight tax  authorizations in  the nation,                                                               
and municipalities would have to  ability to adopt any definition                                                               
of "blight"  that they like, as  well as impose a  very heavy new                                                               
tax burden amongst the 60 percent.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:23:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK,  after ascertaining that  there was no  one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed public testimony on SB 77.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:23:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE   ROBBINS,    Executive   Director,    Anchorage   Community                                                               
Development Authority,  gave invited  testimony in support  of SB
77.   He  explained the  first part  of the  bill is  an economic                                                               
incentive  to help  drive housing  development across  the state.                                                               
The second  part of  the bill he  called a  "blighted incentive."                                                               
He  explained  that  currently,   municipalities  have  no  tools                                                               
available to encourage redevelopment  of blighted properties, and                                                               
the blighted  section of the  bill would give  municipalities the                                                               
tools  they  need to  help  redevelop  needed housing  and  other                                                               
commercial property.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE asked  Mr. Robbins to explain  how the bill                                                               
would benefit more than just Anchorage.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS explained that he  had been involved in conversations                                                               
as   the  Community   Development   Authority  contemplated   the                                                               
legislation, and  blighted in Bethel,  Alaska, is  different than                                                               
blighted  in Anchorage,  Alaska.   Local  municipalities need  to                                                               
have some  leeway to  be able  to define  what that  means within                                                               
their jurisdiction.   The amendment would provide  the right kind                                                               
of guardrails for that.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:29:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY expressed  that he is a  defender of private                                                               
property rights, and  asked if there is a mechanism  for appeal -                                                               
to give the  property owner a place to say  whether a property is                                                               
blighted or not.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS replied  it  is not  the intention  of  the bill  to                                                               
violate private  property rights.   He  envisioned that  for each                                                               
locale  would be  an arduous  but complete  public process.   The                                                               
municipality would go through steps  to notify the property owner                                                               
ahead of time with ample time to submit a plan.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:31:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCKAY stated  his belief that it  is important for                                                               
a property owner to have a  chance to defend themself and not get                                                               
"railroaded."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS  affirmed this is not  a punitive measure.   The goal                                                               
through  the bill  would be  that cities  can work  with property                                                               
owners to encourage redevelopment - not take anything away.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:33:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MEARS   observed   in  the   amendment   several                                                               
opportunities for remediation and  working with local governments                                                               
to improve things.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBBINS agreed  and said the intention behind the  bill is to                                                               
offer multiple opportunities for the  property owner to work with                                                               
the city for redevelopment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:34:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
McCabe,  reiterated that  as  the  legislation was  contemplated,                                                               
municipalities  would have  the  ability to  create  a system  of                                                               
support.   The intention behind the  bill is not to  collect more                                                               
tax, but to encourage redevelopment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:37:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBBINS, in  response to  Representative Himschoot,  related                                                               
that there  are at least  18 states that have  defined "blighted"                                                               
to varying  degrees, but it has  worked in most of  those states.                                                               
The first resort  would not be to "whack someone  with a blighted                                                               
tax," he remarked.  In response  to a follow-up question, he said                                                               
the  other states  have provided  a guide  for municipalities  to                                                               
manage their own processes at the local level.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:39:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  POPP,  President  &  CEO,  Anchorage  Economic  Development                                                               
Corporation, testified  in support  of SB  77, in  particular the                                                               
tax  abatement language  in the  bill  is an  important new  tool                                                               
added to the "limited toolbox" that already exists.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:41:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK moved  to  adopt Amendment  1  to CSSB  77(CRA),                                                               
labeled 33-LS0416\S.A.3, Dunmire, 4/17/23, which read:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 13, following "blighted;":                                                                                    
        Insert "the standards must include the following                                                                        
     requirements:                                                                                                              
               (A)  the condition of the property endangers                                                                     
     public health and safety;                                                                                                  
               (B)  the property has been declared a public                                                                     
      nuisance under a local housing, building, plumbing,                                                                       
     fire, or other related code or ordinance;                                                                                  
               (C)  the property has been vacant for not                                                                        
     less than one year;                                                                                                        
               (D)  the unsecured, vacant, or deteriorated                                                                      
       state of the property has caused it to become the                                                                        
     subject or center of repeated illegal activity; and                                                                        
               (E)  the property is                                                                                             
               (i)  open to the elements;                                                                                       
               (ii)  unfit for occupancy; or                                                                                    
               (iii)  a fire hazard;"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:41:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PATKOTAK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK withdrew  his motion  to adopt  Amendment 1,  in                                                               
response to Representative  McCabe pointing out he  was the maker                                                               
of the amendment.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:42:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  moved  to   adopt  Amendment  1  to  CSSB
77(CRA),   labeled  33-LS0416\S.A.3,   Dunmire,  4/17/23,   [text                                                               
previously  provided].   He explained  Amendment  1 would  define                                                               
"blighted" and set  the controls that are necessary  to flesh out                                                               
Section 2 of the bill, regarding "blighted tax".                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:43:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT   inquired  about   the  intent   of  a                                                               
conceptual  amendment for  Amendment 1  [in the  committee packet                                                               
and not yet offered].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:44:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Amendment 1.   There being  no objection, Conceptual  Amendment 1                                                               
to Amendment  1 was adopted.   [Included in the  committee packet                                                               
is a  page from Representative  McCabe that describes  the intent                                                               
of  Conceptual Amendment  1 to  Amendment  1, and  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     This is  a conceptual  amendment. Legislative  Legal is                                                                    
     directed  to  make  any changes  or  deletions  to  the                                                                    
     suggested  language,  including technical,  conforming,                                                                    
     or bill title changes, in order accomplish the intent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     INTENT OF  AMENDMENT: To  add language  clarifying that                                                                    
     the definition of "blighted" may  include one, some, or                                                                    
     all of the items listed  on the amendment. As currently                                                                    
     written,  it  could  be interpreted  that  all  of  the                                                                    
     descriptions in  the amendment  are necessary  in order                                                                    
     for a property to be deemed "blighted".                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Suggested Language:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 9, following "activity;"                                                                                      
     Delete "and"                                                                                                               
     Insert "or"                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:45:20 AM                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PATKOTAK removed  his objection  to Amendment  1,                                                               
[as amended].  There being  no further objection, Amendment 1, as                                                               
amended, was adopted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNBAR,  in  closing,  expressed  appreciation  for  the                                                               
comments  heard  and the  work  done  by  the committee  to  help                                                               
improve the bill.   He stated he hoped everyone  can move forward                                                               
together and increase the amount of housing in the state.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:47:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE  reemphasized   that  under  the  proposed                                                               
legislation, a municipality would not  "take your home from under                                                               
you," and the language assures that.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:48:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:48 a.m. to 8:51 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:51:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  moved to report CSSB  77(CRA), as amended,                                                               
out  of   committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  the                                                               
accompanying  fiscal notes,  and to  authorize Legislative  Legal                                                               
Services to  make any conforming and  technical changes necessary                                                               
to implement the intent of the committee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:52:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PATKOTAK objected.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:52:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:52 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:52:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The  objection   by  Representative  Patkotak  was   treated  as                                                               
removed.]                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCORMICK announced  there  being no  objection, HCS  CSSB
77(CRA)  was reported  out of  the House  Community and  Regional                                                               
Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:53:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:53 a.m. to 8:56 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        HB 99-DISCRIMINATION: GENDER ID.;SEXUAL ORIENT.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE  BILL NO.  99,  "An  Act  relating to  and  prohibiting                                                               
discrimination based on sexual orientation  or gender identity or                                                               
expression."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:56:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIE  ARMSTRONG, Alaska  State Legislature,  as prime  sponsor,                                                               
presented HB  99.   She stressed  that the  bill would  make sure                                                               
that sex means the same thing  across all the subject areas.  She                                                               
noted there  is not  one community  of people  that would  have a                                                               
special or protected  class; the bill would  encompass all [based                                                               
on sexual  orientation, gender  identity, and  gender expression]                                                               
to be treated the same.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:58:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE requested  more of  a description  of what                                                               
"gender expression" means.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG replied  that as  defined in  the bill,                                                               
and confirmed  with Legislative Legal Services,  "gender identity                                                               
or  expression" means  having  or being  perceived  as having  or                                                               
expressing  a   gender,  self-image,  appearance,   or  behavior,                                                               
regardless  of whether  that gender,  self-image, appearance,  or                                                               
behavior  is different  from that  traditionally associated  with                                                               
the sex  assigned to  that person  at birth.   She  reiterated an                                                               
example from the last hearing  regarding different perceptions of                                                               
what it  is to be "feminine"  or " masculine," and  the idea that                                                               
gender  is  not   something  that  can  be  used  as   a  way  to                                                               
discriminate against anyone.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:01:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE   brought  up  a  scenario   on  someone's                                                               
appearance hindering them  from buying a house  and the resulting                                                               
lawsuits  it could  create.    He stated  his  concern that  [the                                                               
definitions in the bill] are not "narrow" enough.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ARMSTRONG  replied  that  half of  the  state  is                                                               
already  under non-discrimination  ordinances,  and she  stressed                                                               
there is a very high bar for proof in such a scenario.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:03:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN  WALSH, Staff,  Representative  Jennie Armstrong,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  expanded  on the  answer  to  Representative                                                               
McCabe  and  referenced  [Bostock v.  Clayton  County]  regarding                                                               
gender identity.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:04:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK welcomed invited testimony on HB 99.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:05:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HAYLEE WILSON,  representing self, provided invited  testimony in                                                               
support of  HB 99.   She  gave a  background of  her career  as a                                                               
health clinician  and explained  her experience  working directly                                                               
with  Alaska residents  thus giving  her the  opportunity to  see                                                               
people  from  various demographics  throughout  the  state.   She                                                               
described the  impact discrimination has  on the labor  force and                                                               
stated that  workplace moral impacts  mental health.   She stated                                                               
that HB  99 would  not only positively  impact the  workplace and                                                               
mental health of the lesbian,  bisexual, gay, transgender, queer,                                                               
plus (LBGTQ+)  community but also  reduce the economic  burden of                                                               
those whom legislation had previously not protected.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:10:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSH SMITH, representing self, gave  invited testimony in support                                                               
of HB 99 and provided his  background as a tenured U.S. Air Force                                                               
veteran, where he had enlisted  under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"                                                               
(DADT)  policy.     He  described   the  emotional   turmoil  and                                                               
discrimination he experienced  both personally and professionally                                                               
before the culture  shifted.  He explained while  there were some                                                               
developing  workplace  regulations addressing  discrimination  on                                                               
the  base,  none existed  outside.    He became  concerned  about                                                               
"bigger events  in his life," such  as when he purchased  a home.                                                               
He opined that  it is time for the state  government to recognize                                                               
that  discrimination  has  no  place   in  Alaska,  and  language                                                               
matters.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:15:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL FLINT  provided invited  testimony in  support of  HB 99.                                                               
He  described one  of his  experiences  with discrimination  when                                                               
purchasing a  home with his  VA Home  Loan with his  husband, and                                                               
the  banker tried  several times  to convince  him to  remove his                                                               
husband from  the loan.  He  ended up going with  a national bank                                                               
for the  loan.  He stressed  that the message should  be that all                                                               
are welcome  in Alaska, and  the LBGTQ+ community just  wants the                                                               
same protections as anyone else.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:19:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK opened public testimony on HB 99.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:19:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MORGAN LIM,  Planned Parenthood, testified  in support of  HB 99.                                                               
He  thanked  the  committee  members   for  their  leadership  in                                                               
addressing this issue and urged them to pass the bill.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:22:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRYSTAL  HOWARD, representing  self, testified  in support  of HB
99, noting the  state does not currently have a  civil rights law                                                               
that explicitly includes sexual orientation and gender identity.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:23:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY GRIFFIN,  representing self, testified in  opposition to HB
99,  describing  the  bill  as   a  "sneaky"  law,  changing  the                                                               
definition of sex;  it should just say "sexual  orientation."  He                                                               
stated  he is  against all  anti-discrimination laws  directed at                                                               
the private sector.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:26:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAWN GARDNER, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99.                                                               
She noted Alaska being at the  forefront of civil rights, and she                                                               
posited that the state should keep following that path.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:27:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KC CASORT, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99, and                                                               
she stated she would be "overjoyed" if it passed this year.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:29:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MENEKA THIRU, representing  self, testified in support  of HB 99,                                                               
and   she   expressed   concern  about   discrimination   against                                                               
unprotected communities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:31:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROSE O'HARA,  representing self, testified  in support of  HB 99.                                                               
She  stated the  LGBTQ community  is not  asking for  extra, just                                                               
equal, and she urged support for HB 99.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:33:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA BERNARD,  representing self,  testified in support  of HB
99 and  expressed her view that  this is a commonsense  bill that                                                               
would extend legal protections from  discrimination to people who                                                               
are not already covered.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:35:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN MULKERN, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99.                                                               
He  stated there  is  no  logical reason  to  continue to  permit                                                               
discrimination  that is  arbitrary against  Alaska citizens,  and                                                               
Alaska law should protect all of Alaska.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:38:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL GARVEY,  Alaska Civil  Liberties Union  (ACLU), testified                                                               
in support of  HB 99.  He  expressed his belief that  HB 99 would                                                               
put LGBTQ  people in a better  position to have what  anyone else                                                               
wants:  a  home, economic security, and to feel  welcome in their                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:40:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
THEA SCALISE, representing  self, testified in support  of HB 99.                                                               
She stated  she echoed the  testifier statements of  support that                                                               
preceded hers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:41:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LIV SWONGER,  representing self,  testified in  support of  HB 99                                                               
and stated the bill is "truly a beacon of hope and light."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:43:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEX PETKANAS, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99.                                                               
He stated  all LGTBQ+ Alaskans  deserve explicit  protection from                                                               
discrimination.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:45:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK ANDERSON, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99.                                                               
He stated he  would like to see the state  provide all citizens a                                                               
safe place to live.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:45:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATE VEH, representing self, testified in support of HB 99.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:47:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARINA KOWALSKI,  representing self,  testified in support  of HB
99, not only for herself but for her children's safety.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:49:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHILLIP MOSER, representing self, testified in support of HB 99.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:51:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BROOK BEVERIDGE,  representing self,  testified in support  of HB
99.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:53:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA ROZATO, representing self, testified  in support of HB 99                                                               
and voiced her support for human rights for all of Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:53:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN POLSEN,  representing self,  testified in  support of  HB 99.                                                               
He  stated groups  left vulnerable  to discrimination  would also                                                               
magnify economic  harm, and  if the bill  passed, it  would bring                                                               
Alaska law in harmony with federal law.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:56:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EARL WILLIAMS JR., representing self,  testified in support of HB
99.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:57:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACOB POWEL,  representing self, testified  in support of  HB 99,                                                               
and stated his belief that the bill  is part of a fiscal plan for                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:59:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG KOESTER, representing self, testified in support of HB 99.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:00:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JESSICA PHILLIPS,  representing self, testified in  support of HB
99, and stated if there is  a way to stop discrimination, then it                                                               
should be done.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:01:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VIKKI JO KENNEDY,  representing self, testified in  support of HB
99.   She stated the  bill should finally  be passed so  "we" can                                                               
"move on."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:02:53 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ED MARTIN, representing  self, testified in opposition  to HB 99.                                                               
He  referenced  the  Alaska  constitution  and  pointed  out  the                                                               
various rights already in place.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:05:29 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MOIRA PYHALA, representing  self, testified in support  of HB 99,                                                               
because, she opined, it is "morally correct."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:07:42 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH WARREN, representing self, testified in support of HB 99.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:08:14 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOHN HESSERT, representing self,  testified during the hearing on                                                               
HB 99.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:10:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK noted the email address public testifiers are to                                                                
use if they were unable to testify today and still wished to do                                                                 
so.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:10:55 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK closed public testimony on HB 99.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:11:24 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee meeting was                                                                   
adjourned at 10:11 a.m.                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 99 Letters of Opposition as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
HB 99 Letters of Support as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
SB 77 Letter of Opposition as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
SB 77 Letters of Support as of 0930 4.17.23.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
SB 77 Amendment S.A.3.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77
HB 99 Amendment B.4.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
HB 99
SB 77 Conceptual Amendment to Amendment 1.pdf HCRA 4/18/2023 8:00:00 AM
SB 77